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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jun 29, 2010 18:00:47 GMT -5
You're right, they could. But it's my opinion that doing so is a dick move, which is what I said. It's not a fucking "dick move." You're lucky people are taking time out of their fucking day -at all- to do -anything- for -anybody- on this website. I'd say it's more of a dick move that you're trivializing that. I'm inclined to agree with Schro on this one. Yeah, it's disappointing when people can't show up and you're hoping that they do, but I sure as hell wouldn't -expect- anyone to read and review my work even if the only reason they didn't is; "Because I didn't feel like it." Hell, I opted out of reviewing that round where there were three drop outs because I just didn't feel like it. |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jun 29, 2010 18:11:58 GMT -5
Wanna know what I think is a dick move? This: People like being told what they did wrong, so they can fix it. If that's what you're expecting out of a review, then I'd be happy to have fewer people reviewing my work. If all you're doing is going through and picking out the mistakes and telling the author what it should have been, you aren't reviewing, you're editting. A review looks at the quality of the story as a story. not necessarily the grammar, and word choice, and formatting. . . but the quality of the story and what it says. A review takes just as much thought as the writing the story itself; a reviewer should really take some time to digest a story, look for the meaning contained there in and really examine and try to understand what the writer is trying to say, not just how well they said it. A grammar sweep doesn't help a writer tell better stories, it just helps them make fewer mistakes in the process of never improving as a story-teller. Being a writer isn't about being grammatically flawless. People get paid to edit. |
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Post by tamwyn on Jun 29, 2010 18:14:43 GMT -5
Wanna know what I think is a dick move? This: People like being told what they did wrong, so they can fix it. If that's what you're expecting out of a review, then I'd be happy to have fewer people reviewing my work. If all you're doing is going through and picking out the mistakes and telling the author what it should have been, you aren't reviewing, you're editting. A review looks at the quality of the story as a story. not necessarily the grammar, and word choice, and formatting. . . but the quality of the story and what it says. A review takes just as much thought as the writing the story itself; a reviewer should really take some time to digest a story, look for the meaning contained there in and really examine and try to understand what the writer is trying to say, not just how well they said it. A grammar sweep doesn't help a writer tell better stories, it just helps them make fewer mistakes in the process of never improving. Aside from your picking apart of my post to seem right, I never "just pick out grammatical mistakes" when I review, as you would be able to tell from any of my reviews scattered throughout the forum. |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jun 29, 2010 18:17:01 GMT -5
Wanna know what I think is a dick move? This: If that's what you're expecting out of a review, then I'd be happy to have fewer people reviewing my work. If all you're doing is going through and picking out the mistakes and telling the author what it should have been, you aren't reviewing, you're editting. A review looks at the quality of the story as a story. not necessarily the grammar, and word choice, and formatting. . . but the quality of the story and what it says. A review takes just as much thought as the writing the story itself; a reviewer should really take some time to digest a story, look for the meaning contained there in and really examine and try to understand what the writer is trying to say, not just how well they said it. A grammar sweep doesn't help a writer tell better stories, it just helps them make fewer mistakes in the process of never improving. Aside from your picking apart of my post to seem right, I never "just pick out grammatical mistakes" when I review, as you would be able to tell from any of my reviews scattered throughout the forum. Tam, every review I've ever read of yours begins with (or contains nothing more than) an itemized list of mistakes. But this is all just my opinion so I can be as irrational as I want about it. |
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Post by tamwyn on Jun 29, 2010 18:18:43 GMT -5
Begins, yes, which is why "just" is included in my statement  |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jun 29, 2010 18:30:26 GMT -5
Apologies, perhaps you could point me to the part of your post which addresses something other than pointing out mistakes as a means of betterment.
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Post by tamwyn on Jun 29, 2010 18:42:26 GMT -5
I already pointed to "any of my reviews scattered around the website", but alright. Holy cow (pun intended), that was good. You handled your tense extremely well aside from one mistake I’ve corrected above this paragraph, which is –always- a good thing. The tense you write in is refreshing, though it takes a little bit getting used to, because I’ve read past tense so much. Still, you pull it off extremely well. My only “complaint”, and it’s really more of a “want”, is to describe in more detail the battle scenes. You seem to have a great grasp of vocabulary and I can only imagine how the battlefield would shape in your mind – I’d love to see it, if you ever decide to share.  To name a couple. Edit: And if you meant my previous post (I saw posts >.>) I dont believe I mentioned it. However, my quotes here show I actually do more than itemize a list of mistakes. Sorry I didn't mention it in my anger-filled rant  |
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Post by The Drall on Jun 29, 2010 18:48:58 GMT -5
I already pointed to "any of my reviews scattered around the website", but alright. Holy cow (pun intended), that was good. You handled your tense extremely well aside from one mistake I’ve corrected above this paragraph, which is –always- a good thing. The tense you write in is refreshing, though it takes a little bit getting used to, because I’ve read past tense so much. Still, you pull it off extremely well. My only “complaint”, and it’s really more of a “want”, is to describe in more detail the battle scenes. You seem to have a great grasp of vocabulary and I can only imagine how the battlefield would shape in your mind – I’d love to see it, if you ever decide to share. To name a couple. Edit: And if you meant my previous post (I saw posts >.>) I dont believe I mentioned it. However, my quotes here show I actually do more than itemize a list of mistakes. Sorry I didn't mention it in my anger-filled rant I think he was referring more to your Arena reviews, actually. |
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Post by tamwyn on Jun 29, 2010 18:52:03 GMT -5
I already pointed to "any of my reviews scattered around the website", but alright. To name a couple. Edit: And if you meant my previous post (I saw posts >.>) I dont believe I mentioned it. However, my quotes here show I actually do more than itemize a list of mistakes. Sorry I didn't mention it in my anger-filled rant I think he was referring more to your Arena reviews, actually. Aside from the fact I wouldn't be able to tell him which ones are mine or not (because that would break the secrecy), every one of my reviews were more than 'itemized mistakes'.  |
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Post by Kaez on Jun 29, 2010 19:01:11 GMT -5
Not reviewing til the last round is kind of bull in my opinion. It's like a big "who cares about anyone who isnt in the finals", to me. If it weren't for me, this website wouldn't exist. And I just got down reviewing literally every story posted on AWR in the past month, like, two weeks ago. I really don't feel obligated to review each round. I just... don't. At all. I'm really not concerned about how many reviews anything gets, honestly. I'd like for there to be a lot of reviews on things, and sometimes there are, but when there are -- meh, it happens. People would rather have their stories not reviewed and not review other stories than have theirs reviewed and reveiw other stories, 80% of the time. That's just the way it is. These are people who have jobs, have lives, and take a few hours a day to bullshit with other people and post some writing. They're just not likely to spend any of that time reading something that, a lot of the time, -they don't even enjoy reading-. I would really like to see more reviews for the people in this tournament, no doubt about it. And yet I didn't review round two or three! Because as much as I wish there were reviews, I just don't feel like reviewing it, because so frequently reading stories other people wrote just doesn't feel rewarding to me unless it's really top-notch quality -- and no 'points' or anything like that is going to change it. |
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Post by tamwyn on Jun 29, 2010 19:04:01 GMT -5
Not reviewing til the last round is kind of bull in my opinion. It's like a big "who cares about anyone who isnt in the finals", to me. If it weren't for me, this website wouldn't exist. And I just got down reviewing literally every story posted on AWR in the past month, like, two weeks ago. I really don't feel obligated to review each round. I just... don't. At all. I've been following in your footsteps - I copied your list and did most of it already, and I've still been reviewing each round. I don't blame you, however, because not everyone is me. At the time, my anger -was- directed at you for saying that (can't deny that), but looking back on it now, I just want it to be toward everyone, not just you. Edit: Also, take this and put it in front of my "in my opinion" rant, if you would. Out of context like it is, it'd just start more arguments. |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jun 29, 2010 19:04:46 GMT -5
I already pointed to "any of my reviews scattered around the website", but alright. To name a couple. Edit: And if you meant my previous post (I saw posts >.>) I dont believe I mentioned it. However, my quotes here show I actually do more than itemize a list of mistakes. Sorry I didn't mention it in my anger-filled rant I think he was referring more to your Arena reviews, actually. No, I wasn't. I just know that anytime I read a list of grammatical errors, I immediately move on to the next review without finishing it. Generally I kow where the errors are, I'm already kicking myself for missing them before I even start reading reviews. So when I see them in list format my brain goes, "Fuck you, you smug little prick." to the reviewer and I move on. So I'm just voicing my opinion on the subject. That's not to say there isn't a time and place to mention grammar; but that's generally when you see the same person making the same errors over and over. You might mention that "there" and "their" aren't the same. But if it's something stupid like they type "and" instead of "an," or just get fat-fingered and hit an extra letter, or leave a word out, or whatever. It's a one time thing, let it go, don't throw it back int their face. It just makes you look like a dick. |
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Post by The Drall on Jun 29, 2010 19:05:28 GMT -5
Not reviewing til the last round is kind of bull in my opinion. It's like a big "who cares about anyone who isnt in the finals", to me. If it weren't for me, this website wouldn't exist. I'm...not liking where this is leading. Something bad is gonna happen. Why don't we all just settle for a ton of reviews this final round, and leave it at that. |
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Post by Kaez on Jun 29, 2010 19:08:50 GMT -5
If it weren't for me, this website wouldn't exist. I'm...not liking where this is leading. Something bad is gonna happen. Why don't we all just settle for a ton of reviews this final round, and leave it at that. NO, DAMMIT! YOU WILL BOW TO YOUR SUPERIORS! |
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Post by tamwyn on Jun 29, 2010 19:09:09 GMT -5
I think he was referring more to your Arena reviews, actually. No, I wasn't. I just know that anytime I read a list of grammatical errors, I immediately move on to the next review without finishing it. Generally I kow where the errors are, I'm already kicking myself for missing them before I even start reading reviews. So when I see them in list format my brain goes, "Fuck you, you smug little prick." to the reviewer and I move on. So I'm just voicing my opinion on the subject. That's not to say there isn't a time and place to mention grammar; but that's generally when you see the same person making the same errors over and over. You might mention that "there" and "their" aren't the same. But if it's something stupid like they type "and" instead of "an," or just get fat-fingered and hit an extra letter, or leave a word out, or whatever. It's a one time thing, let it go, don't throw it back int their face. It just makes you look like a dick. I never meant it to make me look like a dick. I just wanted people to know where they went wrong in the text so they could fix it to be more appealing for other people. I can understand where you're coming from, though, but I don't think I'm going to stop, on the off chance -someone- out there likes me pointing it out. Edit: Also, since I forgot to add it and it would make me seem like a dick, if you -don't- want me to keep pointing these things out, just tell me and I won't give you that part of the review when I do review your pieces. Since I know you don't like it, Zovo, I'll stop it whenever I review yours. |
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