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Post by James on Jul 2, 2012 18:56:19 GMT -5
I also shipped Shinga and Schro. . . Time will tell.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jul 2, 2012 19:05:11 GMT -5
I also shipped Shinga and Schro. . . Time will tell. You don't think that'd work out?
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Post by James on Jul 2, 2012 19:11:40 GMT -5
You don't think that'd work out? More how you even came to that conclusion. But I'm now too busy still laughing at that gif. I searched for 'confused gif' and found it. What the fuck was just said to Anderson Cooper?
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jul 2, 2012 19:16:07 GMT -5
You don't think that'd work out? More how you even came to that conclusion. But I'm now too busy still laughing at that gif. I searched for 'confused gif' and found it. What the fuck was just said to Anderson Cooper? Yeah, that's actually a really fantastic .gif. It says so much with little. It's like, "What?! Oh, I see what you did there. . . no."
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Post by James on Jul 2, 2012 19:17:17 GMT -5
... can... can we ship that gif with AWR itself? Does that work?
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Post by Sekot on Jul 2, 2012 19:25:27 GMT -5
I've been shipping myself with Mr. Cooper for a long time now....
wait...
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Post by Matteo ((Taed)) on Jul 2, 2012 20:13:41 GMT -5
I've been shipping myself with Mr. Cooper for a long time now.... wait... Well your timing couldn't be better.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jul 2, 2012 20:17:04 GMT -5
True dat.
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Post by Sekot on Jul 2, 2012 20:42:21 GMT -5
I've been shipping myself with Mr. Cooper for a long time now.... wait... Well your timing couldn't be better.
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Post by James on Jul 11, 2012 0:18:30 GMT -5
I'm going to open up the next topic to the public. If you've got one, just post it up and start the debate.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jul 11, 2012 1:08:37 GMT -5
Inspired by all the controversy surrounding the ME 3 Ending. Artistic Integrity vs. Pandering to an Audience.
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on Jul 11, 2012 1:37:02 GMT -5
Inspired by all the controversy surrounding the ME 3 Ending. Artistic Integrity vs. Pandering to an Audience. That seems fairly one sided. The only time I could understand pandering is if it was a product trying to be sold to people for maximum income. Still, I would be a bit disappointed if it was an artist (writer, painter etc.) that did that.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jul 11, 2012 1:49:17 GMT -5
Inspired by all the controversy surrounding the ME 3 Ending. Artistic Integrity vs. Pandering to an Audience. That seems fairly one sided. The only time I could understand pandering is if it was a product trying to be sold to people for maximum income. Still, I would be a bit disappointed if it was an artist (writer, painter etc.) that did that. Allow me to rephrase then since, yeah, pandering is probably the wrong word. Writing for Yourself Vs. Writing for Your Audience
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Post by Astrael on Jul 11, 2012 2:17:46 GMT -5
Allow me to rephrase then since, yeah, pandering is probably the wrong word. Writing for Yourself Vs. Writing for Your Audience ^ I like this wording better. I lean towards the latter. In Fiction, you're ultimately trying to entertain your audience. You can make all the points you'd like and spew the most compelling arguments in the universe, but if the audience does not accept it, you've failed. If the audience rejects what you're saying because they don't feel drawn in to the narrative, then you've lost their attention. I invoke again (because it seems to be such a popular example in this thread) Harry Potter to contrast with ME3. Both stories take some broad strokes about cooperation, friendship/companionship, and the importance of the people around you. But how they ended profoundly changed how I perceived their messages. Harry Potter wrote to the audience. Rowling set it up pretty clearly that Harry would defeat Voldemort and would triumph over evil, and I felt oohey-gooey and walked away with a feeling that the story was complete. With that, I could go back and forth in the story and really dig in to all of the different threads, because it felt like I had some ownership in the outcome. I, after all, journeyed with Harry for 7 books and was rooting for him the whole way. Mass Effect, on the other hand, seemed to be the writers cheating me out of the ending I wanted for "Artistic Integrity". I got (deeply, possibly obsessively) involved in this deep story and in a vast universe, but in the end I got 3 choices completely out of left field. - Kill the reapers and die - Take control of the reapers.... but still die - Fuse the reapers with me, but loose my identity in the merging... basically, still die
None of these that I liked! Suddenly, the story was no longer about the decisions I'd made or the stories I was involved in, but the fact that I was cheated out of the ending I'd wanted. Even now, as I try to think back across all of the ME games, all I can think about is how cheated I feel. There was a great story and a fantastic universe, but all I feel is a stab in the back. I'm not saying that authors should be predictable, but stories are written so that others can read them. If the audience has no ownership in where the story goes, then they will ultimately reject its message.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Jul 11, 2012 3:42:26 GMT -5
For me it depends on the reasons which I'm writing.
if I'm just writing because I feel like writing, then I'm going to write for me. I'm going to write whatever pops into my head and craft it to a point where I don't cringe when I read it. I'm going to tweak it until it appeals to my own tastes and quirks, and probably insert references and/or jokes that only I and a very close few people who I might show it to will understand. I feel these pieces tend to be my most honest, and obviously are my favorites.
If I'm writing for another purpose; such as AWR competitions, or for profit, or an assignment of some type then I'm going to attempt to appeal to my audiences sensibilities. I'm going to take a mental inventory of whom I'm expecting to be reading it, whose opinions are relevant to the situation (ie: judges, instructors, girl you're trying to impress, whatever) and the type of reaction I'm seeking; then I'll target the piece to do that thing.
Now here's the paradox. . . The former paragraph (writing for myself) tends to be that which I'm most sensitive about. That is, if I show it to an audience and they reject it that reaction is actually hurtful. Where as the second (writing for an audeince) I'm largely apathetic about it's reception. I mean, yeah, if I miss my mark and they don't like it, damn. But I don't take it personally and it doesn't really get me down.
I think it's because when I'm writing for me then I'm being more honest and putting more of myself into it. So if it's rejected it feels more like a personal rejection, a rejection of me not just my work.
But when I'm writing for an audience, I'm not as invested personally in the piece so while I might not make as much money as I want, or get the grade I'm shooting for, or win the competition it's not such a big thing.
I think the sweetspot is to write for an audience with whom you already resonate. That way you can write a little more for yourself, but your audience will liekly respond positively to it because they already "get" you. For instance Tam with his Gears and Pony fan-fics; I can totally see the draw in writing fan-fiction, because you are, to some degree writing for an audience with whom you already have common ground. So you can let your hair down a little and have some fun with it, because you're already on the same page many of your readers.
And, I'm kinda just rambling by this point. . . .
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