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Post by Croswynd on May 29, 2015 17:49:19 GMT -5
Ah, of course, James, I'm sorry, I forgot I wasn't allowed to have opinions. Continue your ridicule. For crying out loud. My post consists of 17 lines. 4 of which are "ridicule" if I'm being generous. That's less than 25% of my post. Did you have nothing to say about the other 75% which was a substantive discussion about what you're saying. Because there's no point in the ridicule at all. Why should I respond in any way seriously when you're obviously not going to take it seriously? I think rounds should be complete before we move on to the next one. Why is that so terrible an idea that you feel the need to be snarky? |
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Post by James on May 29, 2015 17:53:58 GMT -5
For crying out loud. My post consists of 17 lines. 4 of which are "ridicule" if I'm being generous. That's less than 25% of my post. Did you have nothing to say about the other 75% which was a substantive discussion about what you're saying. Because there's no point in the ridicule at all. Sarcasm is the hill I die on. It's a perfectly adept tool at showing up poor ideas. DUDE.75% of my post was taking you seriously. I even said I see where you're coming from. And then I went on, without any sarcasm, to explain the counter-point. You're now ignoring this, either because you're so incensed about some sarcasm or you have nothing worthwhile to say in response. Because the basis for that decision is because you don't feel like writing yet because you haven't got reviews. Which: A: Reaffirms a position that I have just explained I don't think is a particularly good one. B: The decision would be just off your own wishes. Perhaps Ad or Inkdrinker have been working away all week without complaint? C: A + B = Unnecessary. Now, if everyone is busy at the moment, I've got no problem with a further extension. But that's what we do all the time anyway (it's what we're doing with Round 4 right now). |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on May 29, 2015 17:56:06 GMT -5
ASGetty ((Zovo)): Unlike some people, I'm not going to abandon the team just because I feel like the competition should be run better. Sounds like you've got some bitterness which extends beyond a mere absence of reviews. Look, I told myself when you cam back that I would try not to taunt you anymore... But you sitting here crying about how you're not being judged in a timely manner is really not sitting well with me. I don't know what your situation is, IRL, but these kids got lives and jobs and commitments and judging/reviewing is a lot of fucking work and, honestly, this is probably the largest quantity of judging per round of any competition we've held previously. You've got a team of four other people plus a coach who can read your work and give you feedback. If you really need the judges input then all you're -really- concerned about is how your work stacks up against the competition, in which case you -aren't- concerned about the feedback at all; you just want to know if they think your stuff is better than someone else's. It's narcissism, that's all. And it'f you're gonna get all butthurt because your reflection is a little blurry. . . I'm stopping, this is going no where good. |
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on May 29, 2015 17:58:08 GMT -5
For crying out loud. My post consists of 17 lines. 4 of which are "ridicule" if I'm being generous. That's less than 25% of my post. Did you have nothing to say about the other 75% which was a substantive discussion about what you're saying. Because there's no point in the ridicule at all. Why should I respond in any way seriously when you're obviously not going to take it seriously? I think rounds should be complete before we move on to the next one. Why is that so terrible an idea that you feel the need to be snarky? Putting back due dates is what has led to AWR competitions petering out in the past, drawing a line in the sand for this one is good. In my opinion. If you think you can't write, then you should arrange something with your team. |
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Post by Croswynd on May 29, 2015 17:59:36 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who's not been writing. Comedy hasn't been written because the person responsible was busy. Right now, only one person is maybe writing the one in the last round. Everything is spread across three different rounds. In the 3rd round, we're waiting on reviews. In the 4th round, two stories have been posted, and are waiting for reviews, with the third still not complete because of life stuff. Now in the 5th round, only one person is maybe writing.
To me, that's not how competitions should be run. Things should be complete before the next round starts, and I believe that reviews are included in that despite your point that they'll be there eventually.Additionally, I don't think it's fair to ask people to continue with the competition despite the judges not being finished with the 3rd round, which is two rounds ago at this point. Still, I could overlook that, because I doubt anyone actually cares, and I only bring it up because it feels silly.
And I'm only suggesting an idea. I'm not forcing you, nor can I force you, to adopt it. Yet you immediately respond with your sarcasm as if I'm being unreasonable.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on May 29, 2015 18:02:44 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who's not been writing. Comedy hasn't been written because the person responsible was busy. Right now, only one person is maybe writing the one in the last round. Everything is spread across three different rounds. In the 3rd round, we're waiting on reviews. In the 4th round, two stories have been posted, and are waiting for reviews, with the third still not complete because of life stuff. Now in the 5th round, only one person is maybe writing. That sounds like a Blue team problem. Red Team has put round three behind us, we aren't waiting for reviews, we're moving forward. We've got two completed works for Round Fou and confirmation that the Third should be done in the next couple of days (real life intervened). And finally, I've got three drafts running full blast on Round 5. This isn't an issue with the competition, this is an issue with your attitude. |
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on May 29, 2015 18:02:45 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who's not been writing. Comedy hasn't been written because the person responsible was busy. Right now, only one person is maybe writing the one in the last round. Everything is spread across three different rounds. In the 3rd round, we're waiting on reviews. In the 4th round, two stories have been posted, and are waiting for reviews, with the third still not complete because of life stuff. Now in the 5th round, only one person is maybe writing. To me, that's not how competitions should be run. Things should be complete before the next round starts, and I believe that reviews are included in that despite your point that they'll be there eventually.Additionally, I don't think it's fair to ask people to continue with the competition despite the judges not being finished with the 3rd round, which is two rounds ago at this point. Still, I could overlook that, because I doubt anyone actually cares, and I only bring it up because it feels silly. And I'm only suggesting an idea. I'm not forcing you, nor can I force you, to adopt it. Yet you immediately respond with your sarcasm as if I'm being unreasonable. You're asking for way too much professionalism from two guys who do this for a fun "competition" they cooked up. As Zovo said they have plenty of way more important things to deal with first. Second, sarcasm is like 40% of AWR, you know that. |
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Post by Croswynd on May 29, 2015 18:05:21 GMT -5
ASGetty ((Zovo)): Unlike some people, I'm not going to abandon the team just because I feel like the competition should be run better. Sounds like you've got some bitterness which extends beyond a mere absence of reviews. Look, I told myself when you cam back that I would try not to taunt you anymore... But you sitting here crying about how you're not being judged in a timely manner is really not sitting well with me. I don't know what your situation is, IRL, but these kids got lives and jobs and commitments and judging/reviewing is a lot of fucking work and, honestly, this is probably the largest quantity of judging per round of any competition we've held previously. You've got a team of four other people plus a coach who can read your work and give you feedback. If you really need the judges input then all you're -really- concerned about is how your work stacks up against the competition, in which case you -aren't- concerned about the feedback at all; you just want to know if they think your stuff is better than someone else's. It's narcissism, that's all. And it'f you're gonna get all butthurt because your reflection is a little blurry. . . I'm stopping, this is going no where good. Offering my opinion, and then defending it is crying, huh? Yeah, that makes sense. Like I said, I forgot I wasn't allowed to have opinions. I'm bitter at the fact that the competition is being run poorly, rough-shod and by the seat of the pants, in my opinion. It was fun when it was working smoothly, and when things start to get like they are now, why not sit back and slow down? I understand people have lives, and that's why I suggested we delay things until it works. I'm in support of their lives, and everyone's acting like I'm trying to kill someone. It's not about the reviews of my work, specifically. I just want the round to be complete, and I believe that reviews are included in rounds. And yes, I want to know if I'm better than someone else, in a competition. That's what competitions are. They're attempting to be better than the opponent and learn something even if you lose. I don't see the problem. And I think I see the problem you have with me, Zovo. Everything I say is clouded by "Tam is a kid, and will always act like he used to, crying and screaming when things don't go his way". But that's not how it is. How could I even prove it? Just accept everything and be quiet, so I don't disagree with you ever? That's ridiculous. |
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Post by Croswynd on May 29, 2015 18:06:08 GMT -5
Because there's no point in the ridicule at all. Why should I respond in any way seriously when you're obviously not going to take it seriously? I think rounds should be complete before we move on to the next one. Why is that so terrible an idea that you feel the need to be snarky? Putting back due dates is what has led to AWR competitions petering out in the past, drawing a line in the sand for this one is good. In my opinion. If you think you can't write, then you should arrange something with your team. I have no problem writing within the deadline. I can do it. My team can probably do it. But I think rounds should be complete before we move on to the next one. |
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Post by Croswynd on May 29, 2015 18:07:06 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who's not been writing. Comedy hasn't been written because the person responsible was busy. Right now, only one person is maybe writing the one in the last round. Everything is spread across three different rounds. In the 3rd round, we're waiting on reviews. In the 4th round, two stories have been posted, and are waiting for reviews, with the third still not complete because of life stuff. Now in the 5th round, only one person is maybe writing. To me, that's not how competitions should be run. Things should be complete before the next round starts, and I believe that reviews are included in that despite your point that they'll be there eventually.Additionally, I don't think it's fair to ask people to continue with the competition despite the judges not being finished with the 3rd round, which is two rounds ago at this point. Still, I could overlook that, because I doubt anyone actually cares, and I only bring it up because it feels silly. And I'm only suggesting an idea. I'm not forcing you, nor can I force you, to adopt it. Yet you immediately respond with your sarcasm as if I'm being unreasonable. You're asking for way too much professionalism from two guys who do this for a fun "competition" they cooked up. As Zovo said they have plenty of way more important things to deal with first. Second, sarcasm is like 40% of AWR, you know that. I don't think I'm asking for too much. Taed and James are completely capable of it, even if it's "for fun". And I have been having fun, as I said, until the last week occurred. |
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Post by Croswynd on May 29, 2015 18:08:42 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who's not been writing. Comedy hasn't been written because the person responsible was busy. Right now, only one person is maybe writing the one in the last round. Everything is spread across three different rounds. In the 3rd round, we're waiting on reviews. In the 4th round, two stories have been posted, and are waiting for reviews, with the third still not complete because of life stuff. Now in the 5th round, only one person is maybe writing. That sounds like a Blue team problem. Red Team has put round three behind us, we aren't waiting for reviews, we're moving forward. We've got two completed works for Round Fou and confirmation that the Third should be done in the next couple of days (real life intervened). And finally, I've got three drafts running full blast on Round 5. This isn't an issue with the competition, this is an issue with your attitude. I only bring it up to give a reason why I think things should be delayed. I'm sure we can come up with something to fill the space, but when we're spread across three rounds, I think some order should be established. My team hasn't mentioned anything about the delay in the reviews, and like I said, it's simply my opinionthat we should wait for the judges. |
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Post by James on May 29, 2015 18:09:23 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who's not been writing. Comedy hasn't been written because the person responsible was busy. Right now, only one person is maybe writing the one in the last round. Everything is spread across three different rounds. In the 3rd round, we're waiting on reviews. In the 4th round, two stories have been posted, and are waiting for reviews, with the third still not complete because of life stuff. Now in the 5th round, only one person is maybe writing. Here's my thing. The competition is spread over -two- rounds. The third round is done. By the weekend you'll have reviews for it, but in effect, people should have moved right onto the next story. In the last AWR Cup, I wrote my fourth round piece with my second and third round still unjudged. It didn't have an effect. With the knowledge of round one reviews, my own thoughts about round two and three, and the 8 years that you people have been amazing toward me, I went to work on Round 4. The other reason I went to work was because I got struck by a pretty cool idea that I instantly wanted to get down because I thought it would be fun. It was fun. I had a lot of fun and wrote something decent as well, all with two previous rounds being unjudged. I'm not saying my experience is everyone's. Or that my opinion is superior. I'm just saying, that needing that 'validation' before wanting to write again seems -dangerous- to a writer in my mind. And you haven't said anything about that even though I've brought it up a few times. This is how we used to do things. It led to competitions that went on far too long, competitions that people dropped out on, and competitions that spluttered to the finish or never made it to the finish in the first place. The fact that we currently have this very flexible schedule is because what you're suggesting has shown to fail in the past. I responded with sarcasm where what you said was silly. I responded with genuine interest in the parts where you what said I might disagree with, but I thought was worthwhile to be said. |
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Post by James on May 29, 2015 18:11:29 GMT -5
I'm bitter at the fact that the competition is being run poorly, rough-shod and by the seat of the pants, in my opinion. You're welcome to run the next one. |
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Post by Croswynd on May 29, 2015 18:14:28 GMT -5
I'm not the only one who's not been writing. Comedy hasn't been written because the person responsible was busy. Right now, only one person is maybe writing the one in the last round. Everything is spread across three different rounds. In the 3rd round, we're waiting on reviews. In the 4th round, two stories have been posted, and are waiting for reviews, with the third still not complete because of life stuff. Now in the 5th round, only one person is maybe writing. Here's my thing. The competition is spread over -two- rounds. The third round is done. By the weekend you'll have reviews for it, but in effect, people should have moved right onto the next story. In the last AWR Cup, I wrote my fourth round piece with my second and third round still unjudged. It didn't have an effect. With the knowledge of round one reviews, my own thoughts about round two and three, and the 8 years that you people have been amazing toward me, I went to work on Round 4. The other reason I went to work was because I got struck by a pretty cool idea that I instantly wanted to get down because I thought it would be fun. It was fun. I had a lot of fun and wrote something decent as well, all with two previous rounds being unjudged. I'm not saying my experience is everyone's. Or that my opinion is superior. I'm just saying, that needing that 'validation' before wanting to write again seems -dangerous- to a writer in my mind. And you haven't said anything about that even though I've brought it up a few times. This is how we used to do things. It led to competitions that went on far too long, competitions that people dropped out on, and competitions that spluttered to the finish or never made it to the finish in the first place. The fact that we currently have this very flexible schedule is because what you're suggesting has shown to fail in the past. I responded with sarcasm where what you said was silly. I responded with genuine interest in the parts where you what said I might disagree with, but I thought was worthwhile to be said. I just dislike chaos. It's distracting. Both as a writer and a participant of the competition. |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on May 29, 2015 18:15:56 GMT -5
Sounds like you've got some bitterness which extends beyond a mere absence of reviews. Look, I told myself when you cam back that I would try not to taunt you anymore... But you sitting here crying about how you're not being judged in a timely manner is really not sitting well with me. I don't know what your situation is, IRL, but these kids got lives and jobs and commitments and judging/reviewing is a lot of fucking work and, honestly, this is probably the largest quantity of judging per round of any competition we've held previously. You've got a team of four other people plus a coach who can read your work and give you feedback. If you really need the judges input then all you're -really- concerned about is how your work stacks up against the competition, in which case you -aren't- concerned about the feedback at all; you just want to know if they think your stuff is better than someone else's. It's narcissism, that's all. And it'f you're gonna get all butthurt because your reflection is a little blurry. . . I'm stopping, this is going no where good. Offering my opinion, and then defending it is crying, huh? Yeah, that makes sense. Like I said, I forgot I wasn't allowed to have opinions. I'm bitter at the fact that the competition is being run poorly, rough-shod and by the seat of the pants, in my opinion. It was fun when it was working smoothly, and when things start to get like they are now, why not sit back and slow down? I understand people have lives, and that's why I suggested we delay things until it works. I'm in support of their lives, and everyone's acting like I'm trying to kill someone. It's not about the reviews of my work, specifically. I just want the round to be complete, and I believe that reviews are included in rounds. And yes, I want to know if I'm better than someone else, in a competition. That's what competitions are. They're attempting to be better than the opponent and learn something even if you lose. I don't see the problem. And I think I see the problem you have with me, Zovo. Everything I say is clouded by "Tam is a kid, and will always act like he used to, crying and screaming when things don't go his way". But that's not how it is. How could I even prove it? Just accept everything and be quiet, so I don't disagree with you ever? That's ridiculous. Tam, I'm not going argue with how I perceive you. I'm willing to accept that you've maybe made the effort to change, but the fact is I'm not seeing it. Yeah, the vocabulary is different, but the attitude seems the same. The reason why we try to keep the writing portion of the competition at least close to the original schedule is because these things run on enthusiasm. There's a reason competitions start off strong and peter out over time; because at the beginning everyone is excited and pumped up and having fun, but over time burn out sets in, or people get frustrated with progress or real life crops up. If we allow the deadlines for writing to draw further and further and further out just because the judges are busy; that's just that much more time for real life to get involved, for people to get distracted, etc. In what I do for a living we call that a PPF; Potential Point of Failure. In any project you want to try to complete it while keeping your PPF to a minimum. Every extra day this competition runs because we're waiting on the judges to review and judge is another PPF. It's just one more chance for things to fall off the rails. So, we write as close to the schedule as possible and the reviews come as soon as we can get them. |
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