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Post by Sekot on Mar 24, 2015 10:49:16 GMT -5
On second thought that's probably a bad idea. It is kinda cliche, and part of the reason everyone does like Holden is that he -didn't- go after the prostitute, that he was just kind of a scared little boy trying to look like an adult. I know "everyone likes and related to Holden" is, like, the whole praise of Catcher in the Rye. But everyone I've actually spoken to that's read it finds him annoying, myself included. Maybe it's a generational thing. That's funny, because most of my friends loved that book. They hated everything else. Well, they -really- hated English, but that book was like the one redeeming factor for some of them. I get the praise for it, I just felt like Holden was obnoxious. I dunno, just been thinking about making a story that wasn't fantasy or space opera, that was just set in current day and just gets weird. I want it to be focused on teenagers, not because I want to relive that period because it sucked ass, but because there's a lot to say about change and transitions. I dunno. Maybe I'll just have to sit and write something out and see where it goes. Probably nowhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 18:16:21 GMT -5
On second thought that's probably a bad idea. It is kinda cliche, and part of the reason everyone does like Holden is that he -didn't- go after the prostitute, that he was just kind of a scared little boy trying to look like an adult. I know "everyone likes and related to Holden" is, like, the whole praise of Catcher in the Rye. But everyone I've actually spoken to that's read it finds him annoying, myself included. Maybe it's a generational thing. Totally agree, Scrotie McBoogerballs is way better. Naaaah, I like Holden. |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Mar 24, 2015 18:28:08 GMT -5
Scotie McBoogerballs?
Man, it -has- been a long time since I read that.
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Post by Injin on Mar 24, 2015 18:31:09 GMT -5
I know "everyone likes and related to Holden" is, like, the whole praise of Catcher in the Rye. But everyone I've actually spoken to that's read it finds him annoying, myself included. Maybe it's a generational thing. Totally agree, Scrotie McBoogerballs is way better. Naaaah, I like Holden. Holden was a douche but a relatable one. He'd been through the shit and was barely holding together. Can't blame him for his behavior really. |
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Post by Sekot on Mar 24, 2015 19:02:02 GMT -5
Totally agree, Scrotie McBoogerballs is way better. Naaaah, I like Holden. Holden was a douche but a relatable one. He'd been through the shit and was barely holding together. Can't blame him for his behavior really. If Phoebe wasn't in the book, I'd probably like Holden more, but she is just an all around much better person. Even if she is a child. |
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on Mar 24, 2015 20:21:51 GMT -5
I'm so lost with this conversation. Catcher in the Rye was never a thing here. Actually I don't think any of the classics that Americans talk about were ever taught in school here.
Is it any good?
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Post by Matteo ((Taed)) on Mar 24, 2015 20:26:44 GMT -5
I remember almost nothing about it.
I think at the end Pazu and Princess Sheeta kill the evil Colonel with an enchanted amulet.
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on Mar 24, 2015 20:28:04 GMT -5
We spent most of year 11-12 watching community and doing beat poetry.
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Post by James on Mar 24, 2015 20:33:31 GMT -5
I'm so lost with this conversation. Catcher in the Rye was never a thing here. Actually I don't think any of the classics that Americans talk about were ever taught in school here. Is it any good? I haven't read it either. In fact, I don't think either New Zealand or the UK did any "American classics" in school. I think Twain turned up occasionally and I read To Kill a Mockingbird for some reason. That's not an insult on the book. I just don't remember why I read it. The American influence always came from plays. You did a Shakespeare and you did a modern play, which was always either something from Arthur Miller or Tennessee Williams. Except the time I was allowed to write about The Dumb Waiter. |
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on Mar 24, 2015 21:23:42 GMT -5
Yep, sounds similar to us. We did do a lot of Australian writers though, none of them were really that great. There was also a semester where we covered nuclear warfare and read a heap of depressing apocalyptic stuff.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Mar 24, 2015 21:33:46 GMT -5
Yep, sounds similar to us. We did do a lot of Australian writers though, none of them were really that great. There was also a semester where we covered nuclear warfare and read a heap of depressing apocalyptic stuff. To prepare you for life outside of high school in Australia. Makes sense. |
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Post by Sensar on Mar 24, 2015 21:38:53 GMT -5
I'm so lost with this conversation. Catcher in the Rye was never a thing here. Actually I don't think any of the classics that Americans talk about were ever taught in school here. Is it any good? I haven't read it either. In fact, I don't think either New Zealand or the UK did any "American classics" in school. I think Twain turned up occasionally and I read To Kill a Mockingbird for some reason. That's not an insult on the book. I just don't remember why I read it. The American influence always came from plays. You did a Shakespeare and you did a modern play, which was always either something from Arthur Miller or Tennessee Williams. Except the time I was allowed to write about The Dumb Waiter. That's interesting, actually. I wouldn't think that would be the case. Did they ever cite any specific reason why they used American playwrights? |
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Post by James on Mar 24, 2015 21:51:35 GMT -5
I haven't read it either. In fact, I don't think either New Zealand or the UK did any "American classics" in school. I think Twain turned up occasionally and I read To Kill a Mockingbird for some reason. That's not an insult on the book. I just don't remember why I read it. The American influence always came from plays. You did a Shakespeare and you did a modern play, which was always either something from Arthur Miller or Tennessee Williams. Except the time I was allowed to write about The Dumb Waiter. That's interesting, actually. I wouldn't think that would be the case. Did they ever cite any specific reason why they used American playwrights? Not that I can remember. I was in the "top band" English class, which did the Cambridge International Examinations on top of New Zealand's own internal exams, so it may have been a requirement from Cambridge. The people who just did the New Zealand exams didn't even do plays, not even Shakespeare. Disgraceful. |
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on Mar 24, 2015 22:14:33 GMT -5
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Post by Sensar on Mar 24, 2015 22:17:16 GMT -5
That's interesting, actually. I wouldn't think that would be the case. Did they ever cite any specific reason why they used American playwrights? Not that I can remember. I was in the "top band" English class, which did the Cambridge International Examinations on top of New Zealand's own internal exams, so it may have been a requirement from Cambridge. The people who just did the New Zealand exams didn't even do plays, not even Shakespeare. Disgraceful. Huh. I imagine my expectations are colored by the American education requirements--it's all very American-centric. It's always seems like when they can, they prefer to teach American literature in higher level English courses. |
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