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Post by Matteo ((Taed)) on Feb 26, 2016 19:33:59 GMT -5
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Feb 26, 2016 19:57:08 GMT -5
What are we talking about here?
Are you asking about the meta means of approaching the subject? Or the actual subject they're talking about?
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Post by Matteo ((Taed)) on Feb 26, 2016 20:05:50 GMT -5
Meta means. Because we are in the writing thread.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Feb 26, 2016 20:12:53 GMT -5
Meta means. Because we are in the writing thread. I dunno. I like the idea of meta and feel it can be successful in certain contexts; but I haven't had a lot of success with it personally. And I can't really tell if it's successful there or not because I'm seeing it outside of it's natural environment. I can also see where it could come across as lazy. Just easier to break the confines of the story and get all meta rather than try to find a more successful means of communicating what you're trying to say -inside- your narrative. Like it the specific example. Was it better go to meta? Or to just try a little harder to make the argument work? Or to find a wholly different vehicle to communicate the ideas inside the narrative. If an "argument" feels too on the nose, then rather than get meta about the argument; maybe drop the confrontation idea all together and figure something else out? |
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Post by James on Feb 26, 2016 20:44:57 GMT -5
And I can't really tell if it's successful there or not because I'm seeing it outside of it's natural environment. Yeah, I think it's quite hard to judge a meta thing when you're only seeing it and not seeing the normal flow of the book. Saying that, I liked it. It was funny and it made its point in a way which wasn't too on the nose. However, I think it wouldn't work for everything. It would be something you could only do in a certain type of book/comic book. And I also think you could only do it -once-. If you did it again, I'd start rolling my eyes. |
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Post by James on Feb 26, 2016 23:19:10 GMT -5
Phew! I've been doing some reviewing this afternoon. Hopefully everything I said makes sense Ink, Sekot and Silver!
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Post by James on Feb 27, 2016 1:22:57 GMT -5
You might notice there's a new subboard in the Story board. It's just a place for people who might want to keep their stories hidden for publishing-related reasons. It's... the big kahuna. All one word. I'm going to be the guinea pig. I have a story up in the new board. awritersrecluse.proboards.com/thread/4921/causalityIf we have Inklings tomorrow, I'd love to hear some thoughts. Or whenever we have Inklings next. (Dragon pointed out on Skype, you may need to manually go to the Underground Workshop board and enter the password, and this password really is a great one, it's the big kahuna, before you can follow links). |
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Feb 29, 2016 15:32:29 GMT -5
Are you promoting anywhere other than here? |
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Post by James on Feb 29, 2016 15:41:10 GMT -5
Nope. I mean, I have zero social media accounts. So I don't have a lot of options. I'm relying purely on AWR and also tagging all my posts and having them appear on the WordPress dashboard which seems to be grabbing a few people.
I figured, if I can keep this going for a sustained period of time, maybe I'll get a Twitter. Maybe.
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Post by ASGetty ((Zovo)) on Feb 29, 2016 15:49:00 GMT -5
Nope. I mean, I have zero social media accounts. So I don't have a lot of options. I'm relying purely on AWR and also tagging all my posts and having them appear on the WordPress dashboard which seems to be grabbing a few people. I figured, if I can keep this going for a sustained period of time, maybe I'll get a Twitter. Maybe. Yeah, noticed you had a few likes on the book review, was curious where they came from. Might have to study the Wordpress Dashboard, figure out what the popular tags are. This is becoming like a weird game. |
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Post by James on Mar 2, 2016 21:57:09 GMT -5
I thought this was a pretty cool read: www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/03/ethan-canin-saul-bellow-by-heart/471426/I’ve heard [the Deadwood creator] David Milch say (though I might be butchering it slightly) that it’s easier to plot your way into an idea than it is to idea your way into a plot. And I think a lot of writers start out making the mistake of trying to write a novel about something. Novels are discussed as though they are intentionally about something, but they’re not. They’re stories. We’re taught to think about them that way by literary critics, or by English teachers, who are, in their defense, generally trying to teach you to write a paragraph rather than a novel. But to be a writer, I think, you have to abandon the idea that fiction is “about” something. This concept is bad enough in your reading life. But it’s fatal in your writing life.
I’ve seen plenty of students come in and say, I want to write a novel about blah blah blah. But you just can’t do it. You can only write a novel about a character who does something wrong, and see what happens from there. Novels are compendiums of bad behavior, and literature is the gossip about it.
In other words, if you’re writing a piece of fiction, I’d urge you not to try to show anything—instead, try to discover something. There’s no way to write anything powerful unless your unconscious takes charge. |
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Post by James on Mar 3, 2016 20:26:50 GMT -5
You might notice there's a new subboard in the Story board. It's just a place for people who might want to keep their stories hidden for publishing-related reasons. It's... the big kahuna. All one word. I'm going to be the guinea pig. I have a story up in the new board. awritersrecluse.proboards.com/thread/4921/causalityIf we have Inklings tomorrow, I'd love to hear some thoughts. Or whenever we have Inklings next. (Dragon pointed out on Skype, you may need to manually go to the Underground Workshop board and enter the password, and this password really is a great one, it's the big kahuna, before you can follow links). Hi. Just a reminder if anyone has the time. |
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Post by James on Mar 4, 2016 22:06:49 GMT -5
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Post by The Counter Cultist(Sawyer) on Mar 4, 2016 23:30:37 GMT -5
I'm going to be the guinea pig. I have a story up in the new board. awritersrecluse.proboards.com/thread/4921/causalityIf we have Inklings tomorrow, I'd love to hear some thoughts. Or whenever we have Inklings next. (Dragon pointed out on Skype, you may need to manually go to the Underground Workshop board and enter the password, and this password really is a great one, it's the big kahuna, before you can follow links). Hi. Just a reminder if anyone has the time. I tried it to give it a read while I was at work, but apparently Word Pad don't like it. Let me show you. Soooo yeah. I'll find a different word processor tomorrow, because I don't think I can open it with Scrivener. And I just want to write right now. |
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Post by James on Mar 5, 2016 17:19:52 GMT -5
So, I've done some reworking of the King of the Recluse competition: NEW TOPIC: This round, we're going to shake things up. I'm going to give you five topics. You get to choose which one you want to challenge me in. 1) Bad ScienceSerious or light-hearted stories where the science in it is just plain wrong. Like Venus being a hot, dense jungle or FTL travel being powered through solar energy. Or the climax of Interstellar. Zing. 2) Genre: Historical FantasyHistorical stories, with a touch of fantasy in it. Further, you pick the historical era. Whatever historical setting you choose to write in, I'll write in it too. 3) Setting: SwampThe story can be anything you'd like, as long as is it predominantly set in a swamp. 4) Character: Wreckeren.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrecking_(shipwreck)The protagonist of your story must be a wrecker/salvager of shipwreck. That's the only restriction. 5) A RetrospectiveThis is, perhaps, the most challenging of the five topics. Your story must be a retrospective of you as a baby writer, when you first started to put words to paper. There's two main ways, I can see, to do that: a) Redo one of your early stories. b) Write a completely new story that reflects on your earlier stuff. Like I said, this is probably the challenging one. Hopefully, there's one topic that might tickle your fancy. And, obviously, as King, I can no longer have a piece ready in waiting. When you challenge me, I have no idea what topic you've chosen. So I've only got seven days to write something in reply. Challenge me! |
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