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Post by Matteo ((Taed)) on Apr 17, 2015 14:07:38 GMT -5
And that was how AWR's East Coast/West Coast war began, 18 years after Biggie died.
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Post by Injin on Apr 17, 2015 14:37:34 GMT -5
And that was how AWR's East Coast/West Coast war began, 18 years after Biggie died. Its just like me to start a war on accident, god damn. |
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Post by The Counter Cultist(Sawyer) on Apr 17, 2015 15:36:44 GMT -5
Huh, looking at the map I think I might actually have the size increased.
It doesn't make much sense for it to expand north, but not to the west away from the lake. So maybe I'll just have the city completely take over Cook and Dupage counties, leave the little portion of Lake up to Waukegan and add a little bit of Will. Seems like it'll work best.
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Post by Kaez on Apr 17, 2015 16:52:37 GMT -5
View AttachmentNortheast Corner there, taking up Chicago all the way up into Waukegan. That's the size I'm working with the mega-city version of Chicago in those Cyber-Punkish 'super hero' novella's I've been working on. Too big? If it helps, the year it's set in is 2150. The area you circled is about the size of actual Chicago if you include all of the highly urban regions which identify with it. And it's significantly smaller than, say, New York City. The question is the layout. Are you suggesting the whole area you circled would be filled with highly-vertical skyscrapers and office buildings? Because in that case you've got to ask yourself: why would people choose to build on such hugely-expensive property when they could move a few dozen miles out of the city and pay a -ton- less. If you want it to be that size of sheer urban sprawl, you've got to introduce some kind of external force -- be that a dystopian ghetto or a legally-mandated agricultural land -- that keeps people building upward rather than moving outward. |
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Post by Sekot on Apr 17, 2015 16:53:14 GMT -5
Why doesn't it make sense for people to move away from the lake? Given that lakefront property is at a huge premium in a city, wouldn't it make sense that they'd crawl like a tumor around the Lake Michigan coast?
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Post by The Counter Cultist(Sawyer) on Apr 18, 2015 0:19:00 GMT -5
View AttachmentNortheast Corner there, taking up Chicago all the way up into Waukegan. That's the size I'm working with the mega-city version of Chicago in those Cyber-Punkish 'super hero' novella's I've been working on. Too big? If it helps, the year it's set in is 2150. The question is the layout. Are you suggesting the whole area you circled would be filled with highly-vertical skyscrapers and office buildings? Because in that case you've got to ask yourself: why would people choose to build on such hugely-expensive property when they could move a few dozen miles out of the city and pay a -ton- less. If you want it to be that size of sheer urban sprawl, you've got to introduce some kind of external force -- be that a dystopian ghetto or a legally-mandated agricultural land -- that keeps people building upward rather than moving outward. Not necessarily, more or less it kind of stays the same it is now, except Lake County becomes much more urbanized, and is officially recognized as being within Chicago city limits and the northern suburbs in Cook county are replaced by a new commercial district for the corporations that backed the rebuild for the city after it was wrecked by war.. The South side of the city(which now takes a good half of what is the northside) is slightly better off than it is now but still for lower income families. Most of Lake is now richer and has lower density high income residential areas. Everything is connected by a new L line from all the way to the north of of Lake to the southern tip of the city. Well I kind of agree with that poin- ....I think you said two different opinions here dude. Unless my exhausted brain is missing a connection somewhere. I honestly think instead of what I've got now for the actual writing I may want to talk the world in general over in Inklings tonight; I've never really done a future-Earth type thing like this before beyond general information; and I want to get into good accurate detail about how civilization in this time period works. |
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Post by J.O.N ((Dragonwing)) on Apr 18, 2015 2:30:36 GMT -5
Your states are smaller than some of our private properties.
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Post by Kaez on Apr 18, 2015 22:05:29 GMT -5
The question is the layout. Are you suggesting the whole area you circled would be filled with highly-vertical skyscrapers and office buildings? Because in that case you've got to ask yourself: why would people choose to build on such hugely-expensive property when they could move a few dozen miles out of the city and pay a -ton- less. If you want it to be that size of sheer urban sprawl, you've got to introduce some kind of external force -- be that a dystopian ghetto or a legally-mandated agricultural land -- that keeps people building upward rather than moving outward. Not necessarily, more or less it kind of stays the same it is now, except Lake County becomes much more urbanized, and is officially recognized as being within Chicago city limits and the northern suburbs in Cook county are replaced by a new commercial district for the corporations that backed the rebuild for the city after it was wrecked by war.. The South side of the city(which now takes a good half of what is the northside) is slightly better off than it is now but still for lower income families. Most of Lake is now richer and has lower density high income residential areas. Everything is connected by a new L line from all the way to the north of of Lake to the southern tip of the city. Well I kind of agree with that poin- ....I think you said two different opinions here dude. Unless my exhausted brain is missing a connection somewhere. I honestly think instead of what I've got now for the actual writing I may want to talk the world in general over in Inklings tonight; I've never really done a future-Earth type thing like this before beyond general information; and I want to get into good accurate detail about how civilization in this time period works. I didn't say the tumor thing. I don't agree with the tumor thing. |
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Post by Sekot on Apr 19, 2015 9:32:28 GMT -5
That was me. And I guess I misunderstood? Why would a city grow away from water as opposed to around it? The question was meant less as a, like, judgment of your choices so much as I was just curious since, especially in Chicago, waterfront property is a premium. The Gold Coast is the land of the rich. At least, those who still like to live in cities...
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Post by The Counter Cultist(Sawyer) on Apr 19, 2015 13:06:29 GMT -5
Yeah sorry Kaez, forgot to link Sekot in those second quotes. My bad.
And yeah, that's how I was thinking of doing it, have it get relatively poorer as you move away from the lake, rather than have the south be poor, north be rich as I was making it.
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Post by Sekot on Apr 20, 2015 20:46:12 GMT -5
Only about 10.5k words in and I'm already struggling. I feel like all I'm doing is a slideshow of character interactions without anything interesting happening. Unfortunately what I think is interesting is entirely atonal with the piece I'm currently on, and it isn't like what I've got is uninteresting, I just don't really know what to do with it beyond chug along and hope the reader doesn't get bored before more fun things happen. That doesn't make any sense. I dunno. The struggle is real right now.
e: the real struggle is trying to find music that both captures my current mood (hyper-anxious) with what I want to write (dialogue and plot set-up).
double-edit: i could work on the ending as a sort of catharsis but I Feel like that that's maybe cheating. maybe.
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Post by James on Apr 20, 2015 21:18:13 GMT -5
Only about 10.5k words in and I'm already struggling. I feel like all I'm doing is a slideshow of character interactions without anything interesting happening. Unfortunately what I think is interesting is entirely atonal with the piece I'm currently on, and it isn't like what I've got is uninteresting, I just don't really know what to do with it beyond chug along and hope the reader doesn't get bored before more fun things happen. That doesn't make any sense. I dunno. The struggle is real right now. If this is a novel attempt, then just keep chugging along. Just get stuff done, finish the skeleton and then worry about the fact that the arm is where the leg should be afterward. Once you have the full piece done, then pacing issues are easier to see. I've read some interview with writers who say that hardly half of their first draft survives till the final edit. But also, character interactions are interesting if they're done right. So I wouldn't worry too much about that right now. Honestly, an engaging conversation or well-written internal narrative can be just as entertaining as "plot action". So, just keep writing? Get it done. See where the land lies. Once you're finished, it's easier to see where there the pace might sag and you might need more plot to offset character (and vice versa). I don't think this is very helpful advice. Well, it's helpful, but it's probably not what you want to hear... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 21:40:40 GMT -5
I agree with James, but I'd also add, in the same spirit of what he is saying, that you should feel free to write whichever scenes you want, when you want. Writing a climax or revelation you're pumped about is a great way to keep you chugging along.
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Post by James on Apr 20, 2015 21:53:40 GMT -5
I agree with James, but I'd also add, in the same spirit of what he is saying, that you should feel free to write whichever scenes you want, when you want. Writing a climax or revelation you're pumped about is a great way to keep you chugging along. Just remember you don't need to stick with that ending once you're done. Looking at you, J.K. Looking at you. |
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Post by The Counter Cultist(Sawyer) on Apr 23, 2015 1:40:26 GMT -5
Worked out titles and synoposis' for Volume 1 of my still as of yet until Cyber-Punk/Superheroish project. Felt like sharing.
Volume 1: Origins
Issue 1: The Empath
A highschooler named Roseluck Creed discovers that she can read other people's emotions after she enrolls in a private school in New Chicago's Old Town. While she wishes to keep it hidden and avoid registering as a metahuman, she is approached in her dream by a precognitive telepath. Calling himself The Guide, he shows her visions of a classmate committing suicide and and charges her to prevent this.
Issue 2: Changes
During winter break, timed explosions near several hot hang out spots trigger a surge in metahuman's discovering their potential; and while many are contained, many more manage to slip through. Including Roseluck's friends. Now they each attempt to learn to control their abilities and hide them, while questioning if they should do something to help their city. Meanwhile, both the mysterious vigilante Archangel and the genius billionaire Alexander Sawyer(yeah...I'm dropping the nom de plume because I can't think of a name for this guy or his family) work to uncover who was behind the bombings.
Issue 3: Vigilantes
The kids decide to follow in Archangel's footsteps, and begin working towards patrolling Old Town while continuing to avoid the registration agents from the North American Union backed private military companies Watchlight Military Solutions and Erebus Enforcement. Meanwhile, Archangel continues his search into the pro-meta terrorist group known as Novus Dies, after one of their agents attempts to bomb the Sawyer Corporation's annual inventor's expo.
Issue 4: Heroes
The situation becomes dire, as Novus Dies recruits a young man with an explosive gift. Their intent is to bomb a high profile target, in order to bring attention to their cause. The kids race to find the bomber, while Archangel chases the man he believes is the head of Novus Dies; an individual with the ability to influence others. In the meantime, with a new regional commander named Hector Solano at the helm; Erebus begins to close in on the Kids.
Issue 5: Fifteen Years Ago
Roseluck's sister finds a maskless Archangel climbing through her window. Half dead after he attempted and failed to locate the remainder of Novus Dies and the child telekinetic they still hold hostage. She works to help nurse him back to health while questioning how he became the vigilante protector he is. Archangel then tells her his story; of how he spent ten years travelling the globe, angry at the world and seeking a purpose.
Any thoughts guys?
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